The majority of guys I know who are into the slave thing end up bitching and moaning about how their wives won’t do anything unless they’re told and have no initiative. So . . . I think on the whole, nobody really wants that. Some people just think they do.

I agree with you that the key is to try to balance everything.

Is that really what is wrong with western women, that they don’t become absolute slaves?

It’s a shame that everything in the modern world has to be in extremes. The slavishness of Asian women is boring and repugnant to every intelligent, high spirited Western male, while the masculinity that many Western women have acquired is equally off-putting and kills any attraction.

The typical (notice I say typical, not all) Asian woman is impossible to respect, value highly, or find interesting, while the typical (same disclaimer) Western woman has acquired masculine attributes that go a long way to killing her native feminine charm and sex appeal. What a sorry state of affairs!

There really needs to be a happy medium, a woman who has oodles of feminine charm while cultivating her intellect and refuses to completely abase herself before any male. Sadly, such a woman is found neither in Asia nor the West in the 21st century. You would have to look to former historical periods.

I know there are lots of great farang women. But at the same time one cannot simply deny that more and more in farang society the attitudes expressed by people like Trudy, GMA, and farang_girl are becoming more and more accepted as normal. It is for that reason I believe that many men sort of blanket all farang women whether or not it’s warranted. To be honest, I think 90% of guys who express negative views of farang women would gladly date them if they met women like you describe.

Great post, I totally agree.

And while I agree that all people (not just women) have their good and bad qualities, I don’t agree with your “without women, life would be crappy” sort of stance. I disagree not because life would be great without women but that statement implies that men need women. Men and women need each other. It’s the “men need women” sort of mindset that has western men putting western women on a pedestal rather than on equal footing. Women also need men and we shouldn’t forget that fact. To forget or overlook that fact only serves to perpetuate the inequality between men and women.

Look what the OP said. You can’t tell me that if Dao was a woman and some drunk guy approached her in a bar that any of that behavior would be seen as appropriate. Now, I personally think Dao’s behavior was somewhat childish but nobody would ever fault a woman for treating a man similarly given the inappropriate way in which the woman approached him. Wouldn’t this thread be full of people vilifying such a man who acted the same? Wouldn’t they be outraged at the way he was treating this poor woman as a sexual object that he wished to use for his own pleasure?

So why does having a vagina excuse that sort of behavior? Why is it evil for a man to objectify a woman but supposed to be flattering when a woman objectifies a man?

The male-female relationship is fundamentally flawed in western society today. And what angers many farang women so much is that Asian women are exposing the inequality. That’s why some farang women react so violently and call them whores and attempt to paint any Thai/farang relationship as slavery or prostitution.

It’s funny because GMA has both claimed that Thai women kiss men’s asses and that in farang culture men and women have equal rights and responsibilities. Really? Let’s diagram a first date. First off, the date is not equal in any way. The man is auditioning for the role of boyfriend and the woman is a judge. She auditions for no role because in her mind her having a vagina qualifies her to be a girlfriend. She spends the entire evening acting like Simon Cowell on American Idol scrutinizing your every move. Did you open the door for her? Did you pull out her chair for her? Did you pour her glass of wine first? What kind of watch are you wearing. Are you witty? Did you talk too much about you and not ask enough about her?

But in Thailand, you take a girl out and when the waiter brings over your wine or water and the girl immediately grabs your glass and pours. When the food comes she grabs the serving fork and puts food on your plate.

Many farang women like to characterize this as being subservient but is it? You’re paying for the meal. Wouldn’t it seem like common courtesy that the person paying is served first? It’s actually mind blowing to think of all the common courtesies two male friends would extend to each other that women don’t think that they have to show on a date.

If you’re auditioning for the role of boyfriend shouldn’t she also been auditioning for the role of girlfriend?

That’s equality. It’s not subservience. Unfortunately, back in the west many women have gotten it mixed up in their heads. Trudy and farang_girl are perfect examples of this where they say things like “I’ll pamper a guy if he deserves it.” Well, how does he go about deserving it? Oh, that’s right he has to kiss your ass first.

It’s almost funny to read what the farang women have to say if you’ve experienced Asia. Like farang_girl complaining that she sat there on the couch all night and not one single farang guy came over and approached her to offer her a drink. And those Thai girls just kept walking right up to the farang guys and capturing all of their attention.

See, that’s her equality. She wants to sit back on the couch and the men should come to her. When the Thai women go up and approach the guys she unleashes all sorts of negative comments about their character because they’re going after what they want. But for farang_girl that’s not how it’s supposed to work. She’s supposed to be able to sit back and have men chase her. How dare those Thai women disrupt her reality.

I’ve always said that I don’t hate farang women. I hate farang women who feel that the only way to cope with a different reality when they come to Thailand is to hurl insults. They try to make all the guys into pathetic losers who they wouldn’t have sex with anyway and as GMA so eloquently put it, the Thai women are all bitches just after our money.

Ladies, Thailand isn’t going to change so either go with the flow or go home. This rabid anti-Thai attitude and trying to convince me that I’m a fat, bald, ninety year old, pedophile, who could never get laid back in the west. I know all of that to be untrue.

Your entire comment sounds like someone who’s been reading too many of Stickman’s scare articles where he tries to drum up business for his detective agency or drive traffic to his site by posting highly questionable stories designed to strike fear into expats and vacationers.

For someone who has never even been here you seem to fancy yourself somewhat of an expert on the place. Unfortunately, nearly everything you said is an exaggeration. You’ve read about Thai women from losers who think they’ve found love in a go-go. You’ve read about violence from doorknobs who like to act like football hooligans and then get the crap beat out of them.

None of what you said rings true and I live here. Never been shaken down by the cops. Not once. Never had a violent situation with a Thai. I’ve had plenty of pissed up Brits, Aussies, and other farangs try to start trouble but I’ve never even been in a heated situation with a Thai.

I’m not saying isolated incidents don’t occur. I’m not saying every Thai girl has honorable intentions. I’m not saying tomorrow a copper won’t pull me aside for spitting on the sidewalk and want some baht. All I’m saying is that the picture you paint doesn’t even closely resemble what I see on a day to day basis.

I admit I prefer Asian women as well but not for the reasons most Farang women think. It really has nothing to do with sex as some would like to believe. Asian women I have found easier to talk to for the most part. They don’t have the image complex most Farang women do in most cases. In western culture it is more about the women then is about the man as though he doesn’t have feelings. It should be an equal partnership but that usually is not the case. More importance is put on family then in western culture. Death likely would be preferred over divorce as usually is a last last resort. Which means more likelyhood of working things out. Although keep in mind always to be truthful and honest. Keep her happy and she will cherish you always. That is certainly much easier then dealing with Farang women which is a whole different story. So for all the haters out there that think they know everything take note. On the flip-side I still would like to visit Thailand someday but now is just not the right time. As long as the government and schools teach and brainwashing the population into thinking that everything non- Thai is bad or an illness things likely won’t change. As long as this exists then the world clearly has no future and would have been better off not existing at all. All this hatred will ever do is just get all of all killed. I respect the Thai people but with their government would quit feeding lies about foreigners and other cultures. We can learn so much from each other but that is likely just a fools dream. So to all the Thai women out there this applies to you are well. Don’t assume you have all the answers just because your government or schools tell you so. We all might just be Gaijin, Farang or whatever else you want to call us but we are people to. We all are of the same species and our future very well may depend on our ability to set aside our differences for the better of all people.