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	<title>Comments on: Enslaved Bar Girls in Pattaya??</title>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/06/11/enslaved-bar-girls-pattaya/comment-page-1/#comment-8773</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ap:  I think the author&#039;s point is more about people who distort facts in order to make their point.  It detracts from solving the real problem because when people start playing loose with the facts they usually highlight a problem that is not a problem.  

For instance, if someone were to believe Suki and go down to Pattaya bent on saving underage girls from these savage US Marines they would spend a lot of time and effort on a problem that doesn&#039;t really exist.  

So the question(s) that leaves us with is whether or not that time, effort, and money could have been spent on less shocking and sensational problems in the prostitution scene and does this type of reaction cause more harm than good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ap:  I think the author&#8217;s point is more about people who distort facts in order to make their point.  It detracts from solving the real problem because when people start playing loose with the facts they usually highlight a problem that is not a problem.  </p>
<p>For instance, if someone were to believe Suki and go down to Pattaya bent on saving underage girls from these savage US Marines they would spend a lot of time and effort on a problem that doesn&#8217;t really exist.  </p>
<p>So the question(s) that leaves us with is whether or not that time, effort, and money could have been spent on less shocking and sensational problems in the prostitution scene and does this type of reaction cause more harm than good?</p>
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		<title>By: ap</title>
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		<dc:creator>ap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suki may lack coherence in addressing her point but personally I tend to believe there is some reason for it, which may be her experience in prostitution where some level of consciousness could not identify with the consent for paid sex she came into and identified it as abuse. I had an aunt who was a prostitute so I witnessed some of the attitudes towards her and while it is true about the lethargy in self-improvement or break bad habits, there is a double standard enforced in society where one may despise the whore but the customer is afforded more respect. Prostitutes are on the lowest denomination of human beings for satisfying a desire uncontained. That is the part I cannot be reconciled to, if I were to take up the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suki may lack coherence in addressing her point but personally I tend to believe there is some reason for it, which may be her experience in prostitution where some level of consciousness could not identify with the consent for paid sex she came into and identified it as abuse. I had an aunt who was a prostitute so I witnessed some of the attitudes towards her and while it is true about the lethargy in self-improvement or break bad habits, there is a double standard enforced in society where one may despise the whore but the customer is afforded more respect. Prostitutes are on the lowest denomination of human beings for satisfying a desire uncontained. That is the part I cannot be reconciled to, if I were to take up the case.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobby hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 07:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>loved it ! i went to pattaya for the first time in april this year  and am headed back in august  .  i must admit this place is confusing  i did gfe and short time   the  girls were  very sure of them selves  and almost cocky .  no enslaven girls did i see   not one    .  i wish i was as happy .  question  nevermind i think i already know the answer  again  great article     BOBBY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>loved it ! i went to pattaya for the first time in april this year  and am headed back in august  .  i must admit this place is confusing  i did gfe and short time   the  girls were  very sure of them selves  and almost cocky .  no enslaven girls did i see   not one    .  i wish i was as happy .  question  nevermind i think i already know the answer  again  great article     BOBBY</p>
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		<title>By: why should I?</title>
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		<dc:creator>why should I?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think you are qualified to comment when you have never been a prostitute nor know how it feels to be one. You also think that in Thai society women are free to choose when the choices are limited - why are the choices limited in the first place? Because of patriarchal society. You are not fit to comment on these girls sufferings (or non-sufferings as is your OPINION). You are disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think you are qualified to comment when you have never been a prostitute nor know how it feels to be one. You also think that in Thai society women are free to choose when the choices are limited &#8211; why are the choices limited in the first place? Because of patriarchal society. You are not fit to comment on these girls sufferings (or non-sufferings as is your OPINION). You are disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: fiedee</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiedee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: fiedee</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiedee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could be rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could be rich.</p>
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		<title>By: MEGALITHIC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEGALITHIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many good points there Billy. 

I guess that&#039;s why they focus so much on money; if they can somehow become rich, it will give them some kind of face amongst the rest of the Thai population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many good points there Billy. </p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s why they focus so much on money; if they can somehow become rich, it will give them some kind of face amongst the rest of the Thai population.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bangkok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Bangkok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Megalithic:  I agree on a certain level but I think that they get messed up not just because they are having sex with punters they don&#039;t want to be with.  I think they become messed up because their entire lives begin to revolve around the bar scene.  All of their friends are bar girls because other Thais look down on what they do.  Their entire existence begins to revolve around a very unhealthy and, at it&#039;s core, sociopathic lifestyle.  

They know they can only survive in a world of other bar girls.  Most don&#039;t have any friends who work legit jobs.  All they know is the bar girl world.  And they know that they&#039;ll never fool other Thais.  Thais know a bar girl a mile away.  Try bringing a bar girl to a dinner party or somewhere where she will be the one and only bar girl in the room.  She&#039;ll stick out like a sore thumb.  She won&#039;t own any clothing that isn&#039;t sluty.  She won&#039;t know to talk with polite Thais.  

This only reenforces her reliance on her bar girl network of friends since they are all looked down upon by other Thais.  She can only feel good about herself when she&#039;s around other Thais who dress like her, talk like her (rude Thai), and think like her.  

And you have to keep in mind that these girls enter the profession at a very impressionable age.  They leave the farm and come to Bangkok and they immediately immerse themselves in the prostitute lifestyle of all night partying, scamming, and irresponsible behavior.  

That&#039;s why it&#039;s impossible for them to have a real relationship.  They don&#039;t even know what one is.  All of their friends are bar girls so all her attitudes about relationships, men, foreigners, etc is completely shaped by what she&#039;s learned about from other bar girls.  

I think the lifestyle and their world of friends have a lot more to do with their inability to become involved in a real relationship than does having sex for money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Megalithic:  I agree on a certain level but I think that they get messed up not just because they are having sex with punters they don&#8217;t want to be with.  I think they become messed up because their entire lives begin to revolve around the bar scene.  All of their friends are bar girls because other Thais look down on what they do.  Their entire existence begins to revolve around a very unhealthy and, at it&#8217;s core, sociopathic lifestyle.  </p>
<p>They know they can only survive in a world of other bar girls.  Most don&#8217;t have any friends who work legit jobs.  All they know is the bar girl world.  And they know that they&#8217;ll never fool other Thais.  Thais know a bar girl a mile away.  Try bringing a bar girl to a dinner party or somewhere where she will be the one and only bar girl in the room.  She&#8217;ll stick out like a sore thumb.  She won&#8217;t own any clothing that isn&#8217;t sluty.  She won&#8217;t know to talk with polite Thais.  </p>
<p>This only reenforces her reliance on her bar girl network of friends since they are all looked down upon by other Thais.  She can only feel good about herself when she&#8217;s around other Thais who dress like her, talk like her (rude Thai), and think like her.  </p>
<p>And you have to keep in mind that these girls enter the profession at a very impressionable age.  They leave the farm and come to Bangkok and they immediately immerse themselves in the prostitute lifestyle of all night partying, scamming, and irresponsible behavior.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s impossible for them to have a real relationship.  They don&#8217;t even know what one is.  All of their friends are bar girls so all her attitudes about relationships, men, foreigners, etc is completely shaped by what she&#8217;s learned about from other bar girls.  </p>
<p>I think the lifestyle and their world of friends have a lot more to do with their inability to become involved in a real relationship than does having sex for money.</p>
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		<title>By: MEGALITHIC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEGALITHIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you&#039;ve got to do is ask yourself this when one is considering the way in which the majority of bar girls (prostitutes) become emotional basket cases once they&#039;ve been in the industry for sometime: what does fucking a different guy every night do to ones psychological state after a few years? Besides that their mindset becomes totally focused on making money (that&#039;s how they deal with the inner disgust they feel when having to fuck some guy they don&#039;t want to be with). The punter is seen, most of the time, as a walking ATM and any kind of intimacy is repressed. It&#039;s their job and, for the most part, liking someone doesn&#039;t even enter into the eqaution. I used to go with bar girls (prostitutes) before but I don&#039;t now. And it&#039;s not because of some kind of moral awakening, it&#039;s just my belief that most of them aren&#039;t really good to be around unless one is drunk. After a few years in the industry I firmly believe that they&#039;re not capable of having a proper loving relationship ever again, they&#039;re just too fucked up inside. And that, I firmly believe, is the real difference between a bargirl and a good girl; a good girl is capable of having real love in her heart where as a bargirl, eventually, only has the grasping addiction to money in her heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you&#8217;ve got to do is ask yourself this when one is considering the way in which the majority of bar girls (prostitutes) become emotional basket cases once they&#8217;ve been in the industry for sometime: what does fucking a different guy every night do to ones psychological state after a few years? Besides that their mindset becomes totally focused on making money (that&#8217;s how they deal with the inner disgust they feel when having to fuck some guy they don&#8217;t want to be with). The punter is seen, most of the time, as a walking ATM and any kind of intimacy is repressed. It&#8217;s their job and, for the most part, liking someone doesn&#8217;t even enter into the eqaution. I used to go with bar girls (prostitutes) before but I don&#8217;t now. And it&#8217;s not because of some kind of moral awakening, it&#8217;s just my belief that most of them aren&#8217;t really good to be around unless one is drunk. After a few years in the industry I firmly believe that they&#8217;re not capable of having a proper loving relationship ever again, they&#8217;re just too fucked up inside. And that, I firmly believe, is the real difference between a bargirl and a good girl; a good girl is capable of having real love in her heart where as a bargirl, eventually, only has the grasping addiction to money in her heart.</p>
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		<title>By: navion</title>
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		<dc:creator>navion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this is about culture. Unless your thi you will never understand this culture. If your poor dirt poor you do what you have to do  and the result the word becomes HARD CORE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this is about culture. Unless your thi you will never understand this culture. If your poor dirt poor you do what you have to do  and the result the word becomes HARD CORE.</p>
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