Advertisement

Thai Girls
photo by a hundred visions and revisions

Why Farang Men Like Thai Girls And Hate Farang Women

by Billy Bangkok on June 22, 2008

in Popular,Thai Girls

I have a good mate who is married to a non-Thai woman. Although separated by several continents she has many of the same values as a Thai woman.  They were having dinner one night with a farang couple.  My mate’s wife offhandedly mentioned that sometimes when her husband gets home from work she’ll pour a basin of water and wash his feet. 

The farang woman was aghast.  She, in her self-righteous zeal, berated the wife for being subservient.  She told her she should more pride in herself and not allow herself to be treated like a slave. 

The wife, biting her tongue as best she could, told the farang woman that she doesn’t do it because he expects her to.  For her it is a way of showing appreciation.  Her husband provides for her very well and they own several beautiful homes.  She wants for nothing.  She went on to tell the farang that her husband is a loving and caring man who attends to her emotionally as well as financially and that she loves him very much.  She asked why it should seem so strange to do something for her husband that he finds relaxing and enjoying. 

Like I said, she was biting her tongue as best she could but her feelings were eventually betrayed in her last sentence on the topic.  "Perhaps if you Western women showed your husbands some respect and appreciation for being a good husband the divorce rate in your country wouldn’t be over 50%."

This interaction is a perfect illustration of why so many farang men fall in love with Thai women.  It also serves to illustrate why so many farang women simply cannot grasp why farang men seem to prefer Thai women.  The farang women think they know but they are as wrong as first timer to Thailand who can’t see past the Thai smile. 

Farang women, generally, think that farang men are attracted to Thai women is because they are submissive.  They think the men are attracted because they can get a girlfriend half their age.  They think that the men are attracted to the tight little Asian bodies.

The farang woman is correct but only to a certain degree.  Yes, men are attracted to those things but there’s more to it than just that.  Farang men also want to feel appreciated and respected.  Yet, as the story told above demonstrates your average farang woman would never lower themselves.  Farang women cherish their equality too much to do something that seems to them to be so one-sided. 

However there’s an inequality in most farang / farang relationships.  By that I mean that when you weigh all of the tangible and intangible qualities each party brings to the relationship the man, generally, is bringing more to the table than the woman.  For instance, in few farang / farang marriages does the husband earn less than the wife.  Likewise, you’re far more likely to find an attractive man married to an average looking woman than to find an attractive woman married to an average looking man.  There are no absolutes here but just going by the numbers this is more true than not. 

So you have these inequalities in most relationships.  I know that’s a hard pill for some people to swallow but one only need to look at the number of men who graduate with degrees in economics, mathematics, computer science, medicine, and the other hard sciences vs. the number of women.  Men, just going by the numbers, are more likely to be the higher earner.  So right from the starting blocks you have an income discrepancy between the two.  In order for the relationship to equalize she needs to bring something of the same value to the relationship. 

Unfortunately, Western women cherish the concept of equality too much.  Tell a secretary making £30,000 a year that she needs to bring something extra to the table in order to marry a software engineer making £60,000 and, rightly or wrongly, she’ll accuse you of being a chauvinist.  So men just tend to accept that as part of life.  Tradition says that their job is to be the primary earner so they accept it unquestioningly. 

But there’s a catch.  Even though, traditionally, that means that the woman should shoulder more of the household chores and generally try to provide a good home life for her husband who has been fulfilling his traditional role, many farang women feel that that role is outdated and beneath them.  Whether that is true or not is not for me to answer but in one way or the other the woman has to bring things back to balance or the relationship simply isn’t going to work.  Perhaps she’s much more attractive than her husband.  That might even things out.  Maybe she’s a wildcat in the sack.  That might balance things out.  Maybe she knows just when and just how to stroke her husband’s ego.  Maybe that’s what evens things out.  I don’t know what it is as it will be different for different couples but without the balance the relationship is doomed. 

I believe this is why you often see so much hostility directed at farang women by farang men who have been fortunate enough to have a relationship with a Thai woman.  Even if they don’t fully realize it consciously, it dawns on them that they’ve been getting the short end of the stick in most relationships.  And like finding out your girlfriend has been sleeping around on you behind your back the farang man feels humiliated for being taken for such a fool.  His rage is often so out of proportion with the actual damage done that he dismisses all farang women as . . . . well, I could list several derogatory terms here but I’ll allow the reader to fill in his/her own. 

Personally, I don’t hate farang women.  I don’t date them very often nowadays but I don’t hate them.  I do prefer to date Thai women.  Not for the reasons that most farang women might think but because Thai women tend to try to balance out the relationship.   Obviously you cannot talk about an entire sex and not have exceptions.  There are Thai women who’s mind set is more like the farang women I’ve described and there are farang women who have an outlook more like the Thai women I describe.  That’s why I try to steer clear of making sweeping statements and say things like "tend to" or "normally."

It’s funny because most farang men have brainwashed themselves into believing many of the same things as farang women.  I guess it’s natural since we come from the same culture.  I remember the first time it really struck me.  She was Thai with a good job, had a post-graduate degree, and was certainly not the poor farmer’s daughter stereotype.  We were having dinner and when the food arrived she served me and then herself.  When my water glass was half empty (or half full depending on how you look at it) she would fill it. 

I was a little uncomfortable with that so I indicated she didn’t need to serve me.  She insisted gently saying "You relax.  I take care of you."  As I thought about it, it made sense.  If she likes you then demonstrating that she can be a good girlfriend or wife is very important to her.  It would be the same as a guy holding a door open or pulling the seat out for his date.  This is her way of saying that she likes me and that this is one of the qualities she intends to bring to the relationship. 

Perhaps farang women will think she was being subservient but I thought of it as part of the dance we call dating.  I show my ability to provide by taking her to a nice place to eat and she reciprocates by demonstrating that she can be a caring girlfriend.  If anything, instead of viewing it as an act of weakness, as being subservient would imply, I viewed it as a sign that she was not the type of woman who would only take from the relationship without giving back.  Obviously, a respectable quality. 

Now if one contrasts that with a normal farang / farang date you start to recognize how the whole relationship imbalance manifests itself.  It’s very difficult for a woman to screw up on a date unless she doesn’t show up, passes out drunk, or belches at the table.  It’s hard for her to screw up the date because she is not the one auditioning.  The man is primarily the one who is auditioning.  So on a normal farang / farang date the man is expected to demonstrate all of the qualities that he can bring into the relationship and the woman will either approve (agree to a second date) or disapprove (decline a second date) without ever revealing her hand.    

On a farang / Thai date both the man and woman are auditioning equally.  This is true equality and I find it refreshingly honest which is why I prefer to date Thai women.  When I date a Thai woman I feel as if I actually have some control over the situation.  It is as much up to her to impress me as it is for me to impress her.  I don’t want to say it makes you feel as if you have more power than you do in a farang / farang relationship but it’s the difference between a job interview where the company has specifically recruited you because of your unique talents and a job interview after you’ve been laid off during a recession.  In one you feel like you’re in a position of control.  If the company wants you then they need to demonstrate that they can provide you with the working environment and compensation that you feel entitled to.  In the other scenario you’re just happy to have gotten the interview.  You know what you think you’re worth but the phone isn’t exactly ringing off the hook so you’ll probably take whatever they offer even if it’s not what you think is fair. 

One needs to look no farther than romantic imagery in the media to see how imbalanced the relationship process is in farang / farang relationships.  How does a man show he loves a woman?  He buys her roses, chocolates, diamonds, gold, and other gifts.  If he’s truly the romantic type he does something huge like fly her off to Paris for an amorous holiday.  How does a woman show she loves her husband?  Well if we are to believe the media representation of farang / farang relationships then a peck on the cheek might be ample reward for those chocolates.  Giving him sex might be the payoff for a diamond ring or a Paris holiday. 

The idea of a man constantly showing his wife with gifts and affection is seen as romantic.  The idea of a woman who showers her husband with signs of affection is seen as weak and of low self-esteem.  In fact, if we’re to believe the media then the best gift a wife can give her husband is to leave him alone.  How is the husband rewarded for mowing the lawn and taking care of the manly household chores?  He’s allowed to watch football on television.  What is the husband’s reward for taking his wife out to go see a "chick flick" which bored him to tears?  He gets to go hang out with his mates for a boys night out. 

Better yet, can you imagine seeing on television a show where after taking his wife out for a very expensive and romantic dinner his wife offered to give him a foot massage?  Not the rub your big toe and then try to have sex type of massage but a proper hour long foot massage?  Yet it would seem normal if a woman comes home from an exhausting day at the office, kicks off her shoes, and her husband massages her feet as she explains everything she’s been through that day.  We call that kind of man romantic.  In fact, that is the message that Western media promotes.  Men being subservient to women is romantic and women being subservient to men is chauvinistic.   

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to say that love with a farang woman can’t be found or that you can’t find a farang woman who won’t jump through hoops to make the relationship as equal as possible but it’s much rarer in the Western world than in Thailand.  From a social point of view this change in how equality has only occurred over the last 50 or 60 years.  Back then you had housewives who took pride in performing their traditional roles.  Interestingly, according to the University of Maryland, between 1950 and 2000 the number of divorces per 1000 women married more than doubled.  Also of note is that the highest rate of divorce was during the 1970′s when women’s activism was at it’s peak.  That’s obviously not enough data to make any sort of direct correlation but this blog post isn’t a PhD thesis so allow me some latitude. 

And just as I’m not saying that finding love with a farang woman is impossible, I’m also not saying that Thai women are a piece of cake either.  In addition to things like language and cultural issues you also have people who just don’t possess the qualities you look for in a partner and/or possess personality defects.  I’ve dated more than a few girls who I hope to never see again even as a friend. 

The bottom line is that I don’t agree with the people who think all farang women are fat, whining, bitches nor do I agree with the people who say that any man who dates a Thai woman is doing so for the sex, subservient attitude, or because he’s too much of a loser to find women back in the West.  There are some very valid reasons why guys like to date Thai women and there are some very valid reasons why they don’t want to date Western women.  It’s all about what we hope to find in a relationship.  For instance, I have a mate I’ve known for well over 20 years.  I’ve seen him go through countless relationships.  The only long-term relationships he seems to have are with women who are controlling and dominating.  He likes to be a bad boy.  When he’s with submissive women he runs right over them.  When he runs into a woman who wants to control him and tame him that is when he is the most happy.  Unfortunately, that doesn’t work for me at all.  I could never date the type of women he dates and he would never have a meaningful relationship with a Thai girl.  We’re just wired differently. 

That holds true for all men.  There are some of us who aren’t satisfied with the type of women we meet in the West.  That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with those women.  They just need to find someone who’s looking for that personality type.  For us unsatisfied men, there are aspects of Thai culture that produce women who we’re more compatible with.  Different strokes for different folks. 

No related posts.


Advertisment
Bangkok Diaries is a group blog where anyone with a story to tell about Bangkok or Thailand is welcome to submit a blog post. As you can see from existing posts we welcome submissions on a wide range of topics and are open to all points of view. If you have your own blog it's a great way to get yourself a little publicity and some search engine love.



Thailand Friends

{ 1 trackback }

record submissions
August 12, 2008 at 10:57 am

{ 211 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Dann January 10, 2012 at 12:42 am

Ant45; your quite right but not everyone is the same, I respect Thai people as I would expect to be respected as I behave in a proper manner towards respectable Thai people, the Thai girls that work in the massage salons and bars are a different class as we have in England the same, there are respectable hard working people and there are low class slobs who had dysfunctional upbringings and choose to become lazy, steal and rob & take drugs.
Its mostly about getting needs met, many farang guys in the west have bad marriages for one reason or another and become stale at 40/50/60 years old and are not going to have much fun as basically there is not any fun to be had in the west unless you are a millionaire, thats where Thailands low class girls come to the fore, they are sweet, lovely, sexy of course and young, I dont mean YOUNG, if a guy is 60 and a girl is 25/30 year old she to him is young and he has his needs and she has hers, her family.
Many guys go over the top and get screwed meaning they buy a huse in the girls name and then fall out and lose the house, its natural, I never understand why they do it but still I hear of this going on, the girl is all sweat and nice, the farang falls for it, buys all sorts and then starts to tighten the belt and the girl realises she is going to get little more so relationship is over and all is in her name.
I personally have been married to a Thai Lady School teacher I met when I was doing some voluntary Teaching in Bangkok, we have been together for 6 years and I live happily here in Thailand, she works very hard as I do in our business here and she wants for nothing, this makes our relationship good as she is far better off with me, not blowing my own trumpet but its fact, she is not a teacher but a successful business owner and she has higher status now because of it.
Dont get me wrong she works bloody hard and gets nothing for nothing, we take care of her older family members and offer work to the younger ones and if they don’t work they get nothing.
I have been lucky here in Thailand, I have toiled hard and learnt to live the Thai way, still is hard sometimes and I miss my family immensely back in UK but I made it work here and one of the few I know who started with very little when I came here at 46 years old and have since bought a 7 million baht home and 5.5 million baht car, for the wife of course as that was her Dream.
I dont ever intend moving back to UK, I will probably pop back briefly for the first time this year for over 7 years but I feel I am home here in Thailand.
I get annoyed with some Thai ways but so I did back where I come from, I get equally annoyed at some farangs also so there you are.
Anyway ant45, keep the faith, Thailand is a wonderful country and its people with all the problems are also wonderful, I not only fell in Love with my Thai wife but the whole package also.
Best wishes

2 ant45 January 11, 2012 at 8:53 am

I just work in Thailand and I have my Cz (from Prague) gf and I am not so much worried directly about problems amongst farangs and thai women, i just express opinions about what I see and hear and read
to be happy in a country where coast of living is about 5 times cheaper than in western country, is very easy, but I still have my opinion that you can be more happy if you have thai gf and not wife,,,,may be is just a question of time for Dann and for the other farangs to find out.
I dont need so much any wishes because again I am not in thailand for getting married or have steadt gf, but am here in Thailand for work….
if you have low back pain or slipped disk , need a chiropractic massage in case you need phisiatrist, come to royal navy hospital and my assistant Parija will do it for you
but please all guys, compare farangs women with thai women is not appropriate,,,
would you compare a cat with a horse? or fish with t bone steak?,,,besides, farangs women are from many many country and thai women are in one country and we are not all with same mentality, especially farangs who have never come to thailand or farangs who dont care to come, they would never agree with your opinions,,,,
is good to express feelings and opinions, but compare is really just gossip

3 Dann January 11, 2012 at 9:45 am

Some points taken, but once you know and somewhat understand Thai people its a lot easier to be comfortable here, many guys moan about Thailand and say ” this wouldn’t happen in England ” or where ever but of course they forget what has happened to England being ruined by a hopeless Government and ruled now by immigrants from all over.
In Thailand you live by their rules or simply leave or get thrown out, how it is in Thailand you either get used to it or go, in England you can demand all sorts and they will allow it what ever English people want.
I am all for love thy neighbour but the British was makes you hate thy neighbour, I left there a few years ago so voted with my feet and I have found the Thai way suits me, many dont, many cant and many fail but so far so good for me, I have been here over 7 years and not returned once yet so I guess the proof is in the pudding.

4 ant45 January 12, 2012 at 2:48 am

my friend
thailand is cheap country to live, cheap country for sex, but many hidden blackmails…you can enjoy as long as you dont get married, then you are victim of thai family all the way.
why marry? after sex what do you have? conversation about charles dickens or
Milton? Thai women dont speak english or speak it very kittle strange way and you dont know thai, at least not so good for interesting conversation…after few years is all so boring, same wife same boring pretending family, same gossip around you….just enjoy and dont get involved in their problems, because you will be loser, just have fun because thai wedding dont last that long…
Enjoy ood nature women and everything positive and what is the reason to marry a thai woman? to support her and family because thai government dont care for them economically?
Take the good side of thailand and stop with exagerating compliments about the Country and compare it with other countries….be smart, enjoy your money and dont fall in mistake like marry…o you really need to marry? surely not…but they need it

5 Mando6971 January 12, 2012 at 7:58 am

Last post is pretty accurate!

6 Dann January 12, 2012 at 10:40 am

Its all about opinions and to be honest Ant sounds a complete cynic who maybe has been a Thailand girls victim in the past who make a fool of them self and then blame the Thai girls/ladies.
ants portrayal of a Thai wife is obviously one of a bar girl wife not a normal Thai person.
They are not all the same as we are not.

7 ant45 January 12, 2012 at 6:38 pm

…all about opinions? again, i never been in a bar, neither in thailand nor elsewhere, but i have met many thousend of farangs and over 90% are married with bar girls (I really dont understand the need of marry them) and if Damm writes “ANT PORTRAYAL OF A THAI WIFE ONE OF BAR WIFE….” that is a very honest admission what kind of wife farangs marry, also because high level thai women dont marry farangs (apart rare exception) and young thai women first love young thai men (just look at all thai films and commedy and television commedy…never thai woman with farang)and when divorce with childreen and parents to support, then are farangs interested. Usually farangs marry thai women who are not interested for thai men anymore,,,
Thai government dont pay pension, apart to government people and farangs who marry thai women (again almost all bar girls or of other cheap level) just do support wife and her family, just what ex thai husband and thai government will never do,,,,so farangs who marry thai woman is a social worker and thai wife is for old farangs just like a caregiver, not to mention that she will manage your money and your freedom and she can also kick you out off thr house you bought for her, if she wants.
honestly, again, is wanderful have sex with small toy, sweet pretty looking smiling doll, but again, tell me, afte sex what else is there?
need really marry a thai woman for sex only? or do you love her childreen, when he ex husband dont care and produce childreen with other younger thai women?, or you love her parents who look like just woke up from the grave? divorce in thailand is easyer than drink a coffe and have sex with thai women without marry is easyer than drink an a glass of water…so why marry?
Thailand should be the country of sweet easy sex and not a place to support people because thai government does not care at all
Damm is happy now with thai wife? I would like to hear his opinion in few years and if also happy then, he can consider himself a very lucky man….

8 MEGALITHIC January 12, 2012 at 6:54 pm

Live here long enough and you will come to know that ant45 is absolutely correct. The Thai women that farang mostly marry are the ones that the Thai men don’t want. So many farang I know have married Thai ladies with children from a previous marriage to a Thai husband. Walk around on the street and you will see that the best looking Thai women are with Thai men. Don’t believe me? Go down to Thong lo Soi 15 and you won’t see any of those beautiful Hiso types with farang. Sorry, but that’s the truth. Farang mostly end up with second hand goods and poor village girls from the North East. Farang are seen as financial saviours first and foremost.

9 Mando6971 January 12, 2012 at 9:27 pm

While I do not live here on continuous basis, I alternate between my western world and Thailand. I have many rich Thai friends and you will almost never see a Farang with a hi so Thai lady. I think I have a good understanding of Thai culture although I have to tell you, it is impossible to grasp the full picture of the Thai mind…very confusing to the western thinking to say the least…

We, Farangs, “DO” get used up older Thai women (although they are still beautiful to us) after all the Thai men have had their fun with them. There is a huge Thai men demand for young beautiful Thai girls, after they use them up, these now women come to Soi Cowboy, Nana and such to work and get Farang’s money.

Just enjoy them but do not let them own your heart!

10 ant45 January 12, 2012 at 10:17 pm

correct….again, see thai movies, thai tv comedy and live with thai society as farang, you will see what beautiful girls are crazy in love with thai men and thai boys and dont care at all about old farangs (what else is in thailand).
Then you see milions of bars with thai women open legs also for 500 bath and looking for farang to marry. Where in the world women look for man to marry in a bar?
they have already been married to thai man , left from thai husband with childreen to support, for other younger girl and then hoping to find farang who marry them and usually using the words” thai Culture” just as blackmail to convince farangs to marry them and for the reason that no thai men want them anymore and these refused girls or used by thai men are the proud of naive farangs who dont know what future they will have and could never imagine how much money they will be sucked in name of thai culture
but again, why not enjoy thailand for its nature food animals people and also for sex? is really a wanderful country worth your money, but this should be a valid reason to have fun and not need marry…you really need to marry in Thailand just because many masochist did? have fun be happy, but dont make their play

11 Mando6971 January 22, 2012 at 12:12 am

Just to be fair, many Thai girls give up on Thai men because of the physical abuse they get from them, Thai men do not take care of their women financially in most cases, Thai men do not know how to please their women sexually again in most cases and they treat them like shit. BUT, the Thai man is still culturally compatible with the Thai woman. (not all Thai men are like that, but a lot are!)

So, if a Thai woman can have her cake and eat it too, like the bitches can in the western world, they would love to have a Thai man with money who can treat them well them like a Farang man does his Farang woman.

Leave a Comment

CommentLuv Enabled

Previous post:

Next post: