Why Farang Men Like Thai Girls And Hate Farang Women
By Billy Bangkok
June 22, 2008
I have a good mate who is married to a non-Thai woman. Although separated by several continents she has many of the same values as a Thai woman. They were having dinner one night with a farang couple. My mate’s wife offhandedly mentioned that sometimes when her husband gets home from work she’ll pour a basin of water and wash his feet.
The farang woman was aghast. She, in her self-righteous zeal, berated the wife for being subservient. She told her she should more pride in herself and not allow herself to be treated like a slave.
The wife, biting her tongue as best she could, told the farang woman that she doesn’t do it because he expects her to. For her it is a way of showing appreciation. Her husband provides for her very well and they own several beautiful homes. She wants for nothing. She went on to tell the farang that her husband is a loving and caring man who attends to her emotionally as well as financially and that she loves him very much. She asked why it should seem so strange to do something for her husband that he finds relaxing and enjoying.
Like I said, she was biting her tongue as best she could but her feelings were eventually betrayed in her last sentence on the topic. "Perhaps if you Western women showed your husbands some respect and appreciation for being a good husband the divorce rate in your country wouldn’t be over 50%."
This interaction is a perfect illustration of why so many farang men fall in love with Thai women. It also serves to illustrate why so many farang women simply cannot grasp why farang men seem to prefer Thai women. The farang women think they know but they are as wrong as first timer to Thailand who can’t see past the Thai smile.
Farang women, generally, think that farang men are attracted to Thai women is because they are submissive. They think the men are attracted because they can get a girlfriend half their age. They think that the men are attracted to the tight little Asian bodies.
The farang woman is correct but only to a certain degree. Yes, men are attracted to those things but there’s more to it than just that. Farang men also want to feel appreciated and respected. Yet, as the story told above demonstrates your average farang woman would never lower themselves. Farang women cherish their equality too much to do something that seems to them to be so one-sided.
However there’s an inequality in most farang / farang relationships. By that I mean that when you weigh all of the tangible and intangible qualities each party brings to the relationship the man, generally, is bringing more to the table than the woman. For instance, in few farang / farang marriages does the husband earn less than the wife. Likewise, you’re far more likely to find an attractive man married to an average looking woman than to find an attractive woman married to an average looking man. There are no absolutes here but just going by the numbers this is more true than not.
So you have these inequalities in most relationships. I know that’s a hard pill for some people to swallow but one only need to look at the number of men who graduate with degrees in economics, mathematics, computer science, medicine, and the other hard sciences vs. the number of women. Men, just going by the numbers, are more likely to be the higher earner. So right from the starting blocks you have an income discrepancy between the two. In order for the relationship to equalize she needs to bring something of the same value to the relationship.
Unfortunately, Western women cherish the concept of equality too much. Tell a secretary making £30,000 a year that she needs to bring something extra to the table in order to marry a software engineer making £60,000 and, rightly or wrongly, she’ll accuse you of being a chauvinist. So men just tend to accept that as part of life. Tradition says that their job is to be the primary earner so they accept it unquestioningly.
But there’s a catch. Even though, traditionally, that means that the woman should shoulder more of the household chores and generally try to provide a good home life for her husband who has been fulfilling his traditional role, many farang women feel that that role is outdated and beneath them. Whether that is true or not is not for me to answer but in one way or the other the woman has to bring things back to balance or the relationship simply isn’t going to work. Perhaps she’s much more attractive than her husband. That might even things out. Maybe she’s a wildcat in the sack. That might balance things out. Maybe she knows just when and just how to stroke her husband’s ego. Maybe that’s what evens things out. I don’t know what it is as it will be different for different couples but without the balance the relationship is doomed.
I believe this is why you often see so much hostility directed at farang women by farang men who have been fortunate enough to have a relationship with a Thai woman. Even if they don’t fully realize it consciously, it dawns on them that they’ve been getting the short end of the stick in most relationships. And like finding out your girlfriend has been sleeping around on you behind your back the farang man feels humiliated for being taken for such a fool. His rage is often so out of proportion with the actual damage done that he dismisses all farang women as . . . . well, I could list several derogatory terms here but I’ll allow the reader to fill in his/her own.
Personally, I don’t hate farang women. I don’t date them very often nowadays but I don’t hate them. I do prefer to date Thai women. Not for the reasons that most farang women might think but because Thai women tend to try to balance out the relationship. Obviously you cannot talk about an entire sex and not have exceptions. There are Thai women who’s mind set is more like the farang women I’ve described and there are farang women who have an outlook more like the Thai women I describe. That’s why I try to steer clear of making sweeping statements and say things like "tend to" or "normally."
It’s funny because most farang men have brainwashed themselves into believing many of the same things as farang women. I guess it’s natural since we come from the same culture. I remember the first time it really struck me. She was Thai with a good job, had a post-graduate degree, and was certainly not the poor farmer’s daughter stereotype. We were having dinner and when the food arrived she served me and then herself. When my water glass was half empty (or half full depending on how you look at it) she would fill it.
I was a little uncomfortable with that so I indicated she didn’t need to serve me. She insisted gently saying "You relax. I take care of you." As I thought about it, it made sense. If she likes you then demonstrating that she can be a good girlfriend or wife is very important to her. It would be the same as a guy holding a door open or pulling the seat out for his date. This is her way of saying that she likes me and that this is one of the qualities she intends to bring to the relationship.
Perhaps farang women will think she was being subservient but I thought of it as part of the dance we call dating. I show my ability to provide by taking her to a nice place to eat and she reciprocates by demonstrating that she can be a caring girlfriend. If anything, instead of viewing it as an act of weakness, as being subservient would imply, I viewed it as a sign that she was not the type of woman who would only take from the relationship without giving back. Obviously, a respectable quality.
Now if one contrasts that with a normal farang / farang date you start to recognize how the whole relationship imbalance manifests itself. It’s very difficult for a woman to screw up on a date unless she doesn’t show up, passes out drunk, or belches at the table. It’s hard for her to screw up the date because she is not the one auditioning. The man is primarily the one who is auditioning. So on a normal farang / farang date the man is expected to demonstrate all of the qualities that he can bring into the relationship and the woman will either approve (agree to a second date) or disapprove (decline a second date) without ever revealing her hand.
On a farang / Thai date both the man and woman are auditioning equally. This is true equality and I find it refreshingly honest which is why I prefer to date Thai women. When I date a Thai woman I feel as if I actually have some control over the situation. It is as much up to her to impress me as it is for me to impress her. I don’t want to say it makes you feel as if you have more power than you do in a farang / farang relationship but it’s the difference between a job interview where the company has specifically recruited you because of your unique talents and a job interview after you’ve been laid off during a recession. In one you feel like you’re in a position of control. If the company wants you then they need to demonstrate that they can provide you with the working environment and compensation that you feel entitled to. In the other scenario you’re just happy to have gotten the interview. You know what you think you’re worth but the phone isn’t exactly ringing off the hook so you’ll probably take whatever they offer even if it’s not what you think is fair.
One needs to look no farther than romantic imagery in the media to see how imbalanced the relationship process is in farang / farang relationships. How does a man show he loves a woman? He buys her roses, chocolates, diamonds, gold, and other gifts. If he’s truly the romantic type he does something huge like fly her off to Paris for an amorous holiday. How does a woman show she loves her husband? Well if we are to believe the media representation of farang / farang relationships then a peck on the cheek might be ample reward for those chocolates. Giving him sex might be the payoff for a diamond ring or a Paris holiday.
The idea of a man constantly showing his wife with gifts and affection is seen as romantic. The idea of a woman who showers her husband with signs of affection is seen as weak and of low self-esteem. In fact, if we’re to believe the media then the best gift a wife can give her husband is to leave him alone. How is the husband rewarded for mowing the lawn and taking care of the manly household chores? He’s allowed to watch football on television. What is the husband’s reward for taking his wife out to go see a "chick flick" which bored him to tears? He gets to go hang out with his mates for a boys night out.
Better yet, can you imagine seeing on television a show where after taking his wife out for a very expensive and romantic dinner his wife offered to give him a foot massage? Not the rub your big toe and then try to have sex type of massage but a proper hour long foot massage? Yet it would seem normal if a woman comes home from an exhausting day at the office, kicks off her shoes, and her husband massages her feet as she explains everything she’s been through that day. We call that kind of man romantic. In fact, that is the message that Western media promotes. Men being subservient to women is romantic and women being subservient to men is chauvinistic.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to say that love with a farang woman can’t be found or that you can’t find a farang woman who won’t jump through hoops to make the relationship as equal as possible but it’s much rarer in the Western world than in Thailand. From a social point of view this change in how equality has only occurred over the last 50 or 60 years. Back then you had housewives who took pride in performing their traditional roles. Interestingly, according to the University of Maryland, between 1950 and 2000 the number of divorces per 1000 women married more than doubled. Also of note is that the highest rate of divorce was during the 1970′s when women’s activism was at it’s peak. That’s obviously not enough data to make any sort of direct correlation but this blog post isn’t a PhD thesis so allow me some latitude.
And just as I’m not saying that finding love with a farang woman is impossible, I’m also not saying that Thai women are a piece of cake either. In addition to things like language and cultural issues you also have people who just don’t possess the qualities you look for in a partner and/or possess personality defects. I’ve dated more than a few girls who I hope to never see again even as a friend.
The bottom line is that I don’t agree with the people who think all farang women are fat, whining, bitches nor do I agree with the people who say that any man who dates a Thai woman is doing so for the sex, subservient attitude, or because he’s too much of a loser to find women back in the West. There are some very valid reasons why guys like to date Thai women and there are some very valid reasons why they don’t want to date Western women. It’s all about what we hope to find in a relationship. For instance, I have a mate I’ve known for well over 20 years. I’ve seen him go through countless relationships. The only long-term relationships he seems to have are with women who are controlling and dominating. He likes to be a bad boy. When he’s with submissive women he runs right over them. When he runs into a woman who wants to control him and tame him that is when he is the most happy. Unfortunately, that doesn’t work for me at all. I could never date the type of women he dates and he would never have a meaningful relationship with a Thai girl. We’re just wired differently.
That holds true for all men. There are some of us who aren’t satisfied with the type of women we meet in the West. That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with those women. They just need to find someone who’s looking for that personality type. For us unsatisfied men, there are aspects of Thai culture that produce women who we’re more compatible with. Different strokes for different folks.
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I don’t really read all what you guys write, may be only few words, is always same boring line, what I know for very sure is that in Thailand is easy to easy to fuck any woman we (I for sure) want….so very easy fuck a woman from 18 up (less than 18 is only for sick men), again is too easy much too easy , very easy , just question of money and notheing else, again so very very easy,….I don’t see what is the need of many discussion…go to thailand, usually fool loaded of money and you can find a woman in on minute anytime you like and no matter age race look, just money…I would not really see why comment about thai women, they are just thai, nothing else
Ant45; your quite right but not everyone is the same, I respect Thai people as I would expect to be respected as I behave in a proper manner towards respectable Thai people, the Thai girls that work in the massage salons and bars are a different class as we have in England the same, there are respectable hard working people and there are low class slobs who had dysfunctional upbringings and choose to become lazy, steal and rob & take drugs.
Its mostly about getting needs met, many farang guys in the west have bad marriages for one reason or another and become stale at 40/50/60 years old and are not going to have much fun as basically there is not any fun to be had in the west unless you are a millionaire, thats where Thailands low class girls come to the fore, they are sweet, lovely, sexy of course and young, I dont mean YOUNG, if a guy is 60 and a girl is 25/30 year old she to him is young and he has his needs and she has hers, her family.
Many guys go over the top and get screwed meaning they buy a huse in the girls name and then fall out and lose the house, its natural, I never understand why they do it but still I hear of this going on, the girl is all sweat and nice, the farang falls for it, buys all sorts and then starts to tighten the belt and the girl realises she is going to get little more so relationship is over and all is in her name.
I personally have been married to a Thai Lady School teacher I met when I was doing some voluntary Teaching in Bangkok, we have been together for 6 years and I live happily here in Thailand, she works very hard as I do in our business here and she wants for nothing, this makes our relationship good as she is far better off with me, not blowing my own trumpet but its fact, she is not a teacher but a successful business owner and she has higher status now because of it.
Dont get me wrong she works bloody hard and gets nothing for nothing, we take care of her older family members and offer work to the younger ones and if they don’t work they get nothing.
I have been lucky here in Thailand, I have toiled hard and learnt to live the Thai way, still is hard sometimes and I miss my family immensely back in UK but I made it work here and one of the few I know who started with very little when I came here at 46 years old and have since bought a 7 million baht home and 5.5 million baht car, for the wife of course as that was her Dream.
I dont ever intend moving back to UK, I will probably pop back briefly for the first time this year for over 7 years but I feel I am home here in Thailand.
I get annoyed with some Thai ways but so I did back where I come from, I get equally annoyed at some farangs also so there you are.
Anyway ant45, keep the faith, Thailand is a wonderful country and its people with all the problems are also wonderful, I not only fell in Love with my Thai wife but the whole package also.
Best wishes
I just work in Thailand and I have my Cz (from Prague) gf and I am not so much worried directly about problems amongst farangs and thai women, i just express opinions about what I see and hear and read
to be happy in a country where coast of living is about 5 times cheaper than in western country, is very easy, but I still have my opinion that you can be more happy if you have thai gf and not wife,,,,may be is just a question of time for Dann and for the other farangs to find out.
I dont need so much any wishes because again I am not in thailand for getting married or have steadt gf, but am here in Thailand for work….
if you have low back pain or slipped disk , need a chiropractic massage in case you need phisiatrist, come to royal navy hospital and my assistant Parija will do it for you
but please all guys, compare farangs women with thai women is not appropriate,,,
would you compare a cat with a horse? or fish with t bone steak?,,,besides, farangs women are from many many country and thai women are in one country and we are not all with same mentality, especially farangs who have never come to thailand or farangs who dont care to come, they would never agree with your opinions,,,,
is good to express feelings and opinions, but compare is really just gossip
Some points taken, but once you know and somewhat understand Thai people its a lot easier to be comfortable here, many guys moan about Thailand and say ” this wouldn’t happen in England ” or where ever but of course they forget what has happened to England being ruined by a hopeless Government and ruled now by immigrants from all over.
In Thailand you live by their rules or simply leave or get thrown out, how it is in Thailand you either get used to it or go, in England you can demand all sorts and they will allow it what ever English people want.
I am all for love thy neighbour but the British was makes you hate thy neighbour, I left there a few years ago so voted with my feet and I have found the Thai way suits me, many dont, many cant and many fail but so far so good for me, I have been here over 7 years and not returned once yet so I guess the proof is in the pudding.
my friend
thailand is cheap country to live, cheap country for sex, but many hidden blackmails…you can enjoy as long as you dont get married, then you are victim of thai family all the way.
why marry? after sex what do you have? conversation about charles dickens or
Milton? Thai women dont speak english or speak it very kittle strange way and you dont know thai, at least not so good for interesting conversation…after few years is all so boring, same wife same boring pretending family, same gossip around you….just enjoy and dont get involved in their problems, because you will be loser, just have fun because thai wedding dont last that long…
Enjoy ood nature women and everything positive and what is the reason to marry a thai woman? to support her and family because thai government dont care for them economically?
Take the good side of thailand and stop with exagerating compliments about the Country and compare it with other countries….be smart, enjoy your money and dont fall in mistake like marry…o you really need to marry? surely not…but they need it
Last post is pretty accurate!
Its all about opinions and to be honest Ant sounds a complete cynic who maybe has been a Thailand girls victim in the past who make a fool of them self and then blame the Thai girls/ladies.
ants portrayal of a Thai wife is obviously one of a bar girl wife not a normal Thai person.
They are not all the same as we are not.
…all about opinions? again, i never been in a bar, neither in thailand nor elsewhere, but i have met many thousend of farangs and over 90% are married with bar girls (I really dont understand the need of marry them) and if Damm writes “ANT PORTRAYAL OF A THAI WIFE ONE OF BAR WIFE….” that is a very honest admission what kind of wife farangs marry, also because high level thai women dont marry farangs (apart rare exception) and young thai women first love young thai men (just look at all thai films and commedy and television commedy…never thai woman with farang)and when divorce with childreen and parents to support, then are farangs interested. Usually farangs marry thai women who are not interested for thai men anymore,,,
Thai government dont pay pension, apart to government people and farangs who marry thai women (again almost all bar girls or of other cheap level) just do support wife and her family, just what ex thai husband and thai government will never do,,,,so farangs who marry thai woman is a social worker and thai wife is for old farangs just like a caregiver, not to mention that she will manage your money and your freedom and she can also kick you out off thr house you bought for her, if she wants.
honestly, again, is wanderful have sex with small toy, sweet pretty looking smiling doll, but again, tell me, afte sex what else is there?
need really marry a thai woman for sex only? or do you love her childreen, when he ex husband dont care and produce childreen with other younger thai women?, or you love her parents who look like just woke up from the grave? divorce in thailand is easyer than drink a coffe and have sex with thai women without marry is easyer than drink an a glass of water…so why marry?
Thailand should be the country of sweet easy sex and not a place to support people because thai government does not care at all
Damm is happy now with thai wife? I would like to hear his opinion in few years and if also happy then, he can consider himself a very lucky man….
Live here long enough and you will come to know that ant45 is absolutely correct. The Thai women that farang mostly marry are the ones that the Thai men don’t want. So many farang I know have married Thai ladies with children from a previous marriage to a Thai husband. Walk around on the street and you will see that the best looking Thai women are with Thai men. Don’t believe me? Go down to Thong lo Soi 15 and you won’t see any of those beautiful Hiso types with farang. Sorry, but that’s the truth. Farang mostly end up with second hand goods and poor village girls from the North East. Farang are seen as financial saviours first and foremost.
While I do not live here on continuous basis, I alternate between my western world and Thailand. I have many rich Thai friends and you will almost never see a Farang with a hi so Thai lady. I think I have a good understanding of Thai culture although I have to tell you, it is impossible to grasp the full picture of the Thai mind…very confusing to the western thinking to say the least…
We, Farangs, “DO” get used up older Thai women (although they are still beautiful to us) after all the Thai men have had their fun with them. There is a huge Thai men demand for young beautiful Thai girls, after they use them up, these now women come to Soi Cowboy, Nana and such to work and get Farang’s money.
Just enjoy them but do not let them own your heart!
correct….again, see thai movies, thai tv comedy and live with thai society as farang, you will see what beautiful girls are crazy in love with thai men and thai boys and dont care at all about old farangs (what else is in thailand).
Then you see milions of bars with thai women open legs also for 500 bath and looking for farang to marry. Where in the world women look for man to marry in a bar?
they have already been married to thai man , left from thai husband with childreen to support, for other younger girl and then hoping to find farang who marry them and usually using the words” thai Culture” just as blackmail to convince farangs to marry them and for the reason that no thai men want them anymore and these refused girls or used by thai men are the proud of naive farangs who dont know what future they will have and could never imagine how much money they will be sucked in name of thai culture
but again, why not enjoy thailand for its nature food animals people and also for sex? is really a wanderful country worth your money, but this should be a valid reason to have fun and not need marry…you really need to marry in Thailand just because many masochist did? have fun be happy, but dont make their play
Just to be fair, many Thai girls give up on Thai men because of the physical abuse they get from them, Thai men do not take care of their women financially in most cases, Thai men do not know how to please their women sexually again in most cases and they treat them like shit. BUT, the Thai man is still culturally compatible with the Thai woman. (not all Thai men are like that, but a lot are!)
So, if a Thai woman can have her cake and eat it too, like the bitches can in the western world, they would love to have a Thai man with money who can treat them well them like a Farang man does his Farang woman.
so naive people farangs like this mandolino….do you believe in all what thai women tell you
every word 2 lies and too many stupid farangs with hard cock willing to believe …..
have you ever thought that most of thai women need naive farangs who believe all that? most of the case, people think that thai men beat and leave wife…..but do you know how thai wife behave? she is also sick for sex and she is also butterfly and find young thai men and she also drink, even more than men….why dont you get more experience before you say so many stupidity?
poor thai women….wait for farangs to suck in and out and play victims and mandolinos believe it hahahaha
dont tell a thai woman that your pension is under 1000 us dollars, if she told you that she loves you very much…then she will send you to hell….try!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THAI MEN KNOW HOW TO SATISFY THAI WOMEN WHEN YOUNG…..
WHEN OLD AND ITH CHILDREEN, THEY LET THE SECOND HAND JON TO STUPID NAIVE FARANGS….FARANGS CAN SATISFY THAI WOMEN? HAHAHAHAHA AFTER COMING FROM BAS AND DRUNK HUGE QUANTITY OF BEERS THEY SLEEP AND IF SEX, WILL BE NOT SO ROMANTIC…BUT DO YOU SEE WHAT KIND OF FARANGS ARE IN THAILAND? DO YOU HEAR WHAT THAI WOMEN TELL ONE ANOTHER ABOUT SEX WITH FARANGS THERE? TRY LEARN THAI AND YOU WILL BE UNDER SHOCK….
FINANCIALLY ? THAI MEN ARE NOT SO STUPID TO SUPPORT THAI WIVES…THEY HAVE CHILDREEN WITH THEM AND THEN LEAVE THEM….THERE IS ALWAYS A NAIVE FARANGS WHO TAKE SECOND HAND WOMAN WITH CHILDREEN AND PAY HER LIKE IF NEW…..
BUT PLEASE WAKE UP MAN….
STOP THINKING LIKE IF YOU ARE OVER THE RAINBOW….
THAI CHEAT FARANGS IS PART OF THEIR DNA, IS THEIR NATURE, ….ALMOST A BLAMAGE IF A THAI WOMAN LIVE WITH FARANG AND DONT SUCK HIM IN AND OUT,,,,EVERY FRIENDS , PARENTS AND RELATIVES WILL THINK THAT SHE IS VERY VERY STUPID, ……
THIS BLOG SHOULD CHANGE NAME…NOT “WHY FARANGS LIKE THAI WOMEN AND GìHAYE……” SHOULD INFORM RIGHT WAY SO TO AVOID THAT MORE AND MORE FARANGS WILL NOT CONFUSE PARADISE WITH HELL AND LIVE HAPPY IN THAILAND REALISTIC WAY
Ha, I read some people saying that farang guys cannot have a hi so Thai lady. Well, that’s rubbish. I have plenty of friends with what you would probably consider to be hi so ladies. However these are not the same types of guys that hang around nana etc… They are decent farang guys with decent jobs who are in bkk for legitimate reasons and are able to impress and cross the cultural divide successfully. Don’t tar all farang men in LOS as losers who only nail bar girls. It might be true for the social circles you mix in but that say more about you than it does anything else!
I WORK AND TEACH AT ROYAL NAVY HOSPITAL IN BKK AND WHEN I MAKE A COMPLIMENT TO A NURSE OR ANOTHER WOMAN THERE, WILL BE GOSSIP FOR DAYS AND DAYS…YES SOME FARANGS WORK AND HAVE HIGH CULTURE AND PROFESSIONALITY….BUT THIS IS EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND EXCEPTIONS ARE NOT RULES….
MY OPINION IS THAT THAI WOMEN ARE SO EMPTY BRAIN SO SILLY AND SMILE COVER THEIR FRUSTRATION AND IS IMPOSSIBLE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM, THEY GET ANGRY FOR NOTHING, JALOUS FOR NOTHING AND SO STUBBORN (I MEAN ALSO AT HIGHER SOCIETY, NOT ONLY BARS) AND IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE RIGHT WITH THEM…THEY ALSO LIE SO MUCH ABOUT THEIR THAI HUSBAND WHO DID BEAT THEM AND BUTTERFLY AND THEY LOVE TO SPEAK BAD ABOUT THE MEN THEY MARRIED AND LOVED BEFORE AND THEY LOOK FOR FARANGS ONLY BECAUSE FARANGS SUPPORT THEIR BLAMAGE IN THEIR LIVES AND REST ARE ILLUSIONS….FROM EMPTY BRAIN WOMEN CANNOT COME ANYTHING POSITIVE, ONLY STUPID NAIVE FARANGS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND IT
I WOULD CALL THIS BLOG….:
WHY FARANGS ARE SO STUPID AND NAIVE AND WHY THAI GIRLS ARE SO CLEVER….NOTHING MORE REALISTIC THAN THAT
EXCEPTION OF COURSE EXISTS,,,,
“Some”, again “some” of the Thai people response here is very interesting. Seems like they are proud that the Farangs are talking care of the Thai children left behind by the Thai men who screw around. Also seems like the same people are proud of the Thai women who are lying and taking full advantage of the Farangs who come to this country and help the poor ladies and their left behind Thai children with their desperate poor lives…..
They are also proud that the lying and the deceit that goes on against the Farangs is something to state that this is the way Thailand society behaves.
I believe that Thailand is better than that and these opinions displayed here not reflective of the overall Thai mentality….
While I have stated in the past that there is a lot of deceit that goes on here, there are also some very honest and proud Thai men and women….read my comments closely if you wish to know the facts and not stay in your own denial!
THERE ARE ALSO……MEANS SOME….BUT HOW ABOUT THE MAJORITY?
THAI WOMEN ARE SMILING JUST AUTOMATICALLY BUT EMPTY WAY, THEY ALWAYS SPEAK BAD ABOUT PREVIOUS MAN AND MAY BE THEY DONT TELL YOU THAT THEY STILL TOGETHER, JUST TO FOOL YOU…
THEY SAY ALWAYS THE SAME TO BE BLAMAD AND BE PITY:….MY HUSBAND BUTTERFLY, MY HUSBAND BEAT ME, MU HUSBAND DRINK, MY HUSBAND NOT GIVE ME MONEY…YOU CANNOT VERIFY AND THEY HAVE EASY LIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGES….POOR VICTIMS….
MAY BE THEIR HUSBANDS ARE THE REAL VICTIMS…
SO EASY BELIEVE ONE VERSION…BUT MY OPINIONS IS THAT THAI WOMEN ARE FULL OF BLACKMAIOLS AND LIES AND THRICKS,,,,,THEY WANT TRUE LOVE…SHARE LIFE FOREVER …MAN NO LIE…
SO MANY MANY NICE SWEET PRETENTINGS, BUT IS SO VERY EVIDENT THAT THEY PREPARE THE GROUND FOR EASY NAIVE FARANGS WHO NEVER HAD A WOMAN IN HIS COUNTRY IN LAST 20 YEARS AND BELIEVE SUDDENDLY TO BE HANDSOME LIKE BRAD PITT OR TOM CRUISE, JUST BECAUSE THAIWOMEN MAKE HIM BELIEVE IT….
SO YOU ARE OLD SICK…BUT HANDSOME WOWWW
WHEN THY DISCOVER THAT YOU ARE NOT SO NAIVE AND YOU DON BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY…SUDDENDLY YOU ARE OLD SICK CRAZY MAN AND THEY SEND YOU TO HELL…
BUT WHY IS SO DIFFICULT SEE WHAT KIND OF WOMEN THEY ARE?
YES IN YOUR COUNTRY YOU DONT FIND A WOMAN BECAUSE THEY LOOK FOR REAL HANDSOME AND YOUNGER MAN AND IN THAILAND YOU FIND BECAUSE YOU ARE OLD, BUT HANDSOME….DONT YOU THINK THAT HANDSOME OR UGLY IS PRETTY THE SAME ALL OVER THE WORLD? SO WHY SO DIFFICULT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE THE MOUSE AND THEY ARE THE CATS….? JUST FUCK FOR 500 BATH OR 1000 BATH AND YOU WILL BE MORE HAPPY AND LESS IN DANGER ABOUT YOUR FINANCIALS
Please turn off your caps lock!
I agree though with ALMOST everything you say above..almost. But there IS another side to your story. It is very true that SOME Thai men are victims of Thai women, but I have seen it with my own eyes where SOME Thai men are not very kind to their wives or girlfriends. They have many gigs and they go to the Thai “special” places on Pattanakan road and such and they have their fun more than the Farangs do.
I said here before, “Deception is bottomless in Thailand”
I work with rich and poor Thais and I see it all the time. They have wives at home but are always going out to get another “young girl”. What I am saying is that it is all messed up. Both sides are cheating on each other. And yes, the bar Thai girl will say anything to make a buck ($), and yes some poor Farangs buys into their bullshit. But for me anyways, it is not something Thais should be proud off.
There are those fat ugly Farangs, but there are also those regular Farangs who chose to come here and enjoy Thailand’s pleasure even thu they have to put up with the BS that goes on….it is worth the few bhts!
I have seen Farangs fall foe all the BS and loose their life savings to lying and cheating Thai women. Some of us Farangs can easily deal with the BS that goes on here, it very simple to see thru it all and come out on top!..
Sorry for some of the misspellings! can’t go back and fix it. But intelligent minds can see thru it
yes thai men are like that and many times are also good thai men with their wives and bad thai wives,,,,it takes 2 to tango….
but the few decent farangs or farangs touirists who look good and behave good, is really not enough to change the reality…is if somebody few people represent the reality and we know how it really is…..5% against 95%—-means 5% does not represent the reality of farangs in thailand….
thai men have advantage,,,,they might be good or bad, but for sure they know their women very well, whyle at the opposite, farangs dont know them at all
There is no welfare system in Thailand. The farang is the welfare system. The majority of Thai men who leave their wives, and children, do not provide financial support.
I met a nice Thai lady through a dating website. She had a real job and was educated. On her profile it stated she had no children. On the first date she told me she had one child. On the fourth date we were in my apartment, in bed and about to have sex when she quietly mentioned she had three children. I got out of bed and asked her to leave immediately. She pleaded with me and said “not to worry and that she was financially capable of supporting her children.” As she left I told her “it wasn’t about that. It was the fact that she’d lied twice to me and I didn’t trust her.”
Some things to consider:
Telling lies is a part of Thai culture because it’s linked, inextricably, to the loss of face situation.
For hundreds of years, Thai men have being paying a fee for their wives for marriage. The merits of what this actually represents can be argued endlessly but the bottom line is that it’s given Thai women the idea that it’s a payment for their bodies.
When you finally come to know, and fully understand these things, and many other oddities of this country you, as a farang male, will be quite happy to be single and hire a lady for a few hours when you have the need.
I pay them to leave me alone after I have had my fun. They take my money to spend on their boos, phones and Thai boyfriends in return, I have my fun with them any way I want and I never have to put up with any shit from any one. For me, it is a good ROI (return on investment).
I have had my share of idiotic and fat western women where I had paid for sex one way or another. Now I have the best fun per Dollar/Euro ever, here in LOS. But, I can never believe a word Thai women say. They try all the time but I always catch them doing it. But somehow, they make it, the lies that is, sound real. The problem is that many Farangs DO believe in what these women tell them and as a result they, the Farangs, are taken severe advantage of.
This “loss of face” thing is the down fall of this society. This country has so much potential if it only can rid itself of this cultural problem.
BTW, I thought there WAS a welfare system in Thailand but is very poor (pun intended) at that, yes?
I WAS CHATTING WITH A THAI LADY 43 OLD NO CHILDREEN UNIVERSITY GRADUETED AND SHE WANTED TO SEE MY COCK AFTER 10 MINUTES CHAT…..FUNNY…SHE TOLD ME…LOVE YOU ONLY AND I CRY FOR YOU…LOVE YOU AND ALWAYS WILL…I NOT LIE AND I DONT LIKE MEN LIE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND ME…I AM GOOD WOMAN AND NEED PARTNER LIKE YOU……BUT I DISCOVERED HER HOTMAIL PASSWORD AND I NOTICED THAT SHE WAS CHATTING WITH 21 MEN SAME TIME AND MOST PROBABLY SHE SA 21 COCKS AND 21 FUTURE PARTNERS, SHE INVITED TO SHARE LIFE TO ALL OF THEM SAME AS WITH ME. MANY MANY THAI WOMEN LIKE HAT, THEY DONT WANT MAN LIE BECAUSE THEY LIE FOR BOTH HAHAHA, I ALSO DID NOT TELL HER THAT I HAVE PARTNER FROM PRAGUE SINCE 20 YEARS…SO WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO WITH WOMEN LIKE THAT?
I MET A WOMAN IN SMALL VILLAGE NONG KHAI PROVINCE, SHE WAS TEACHER AND SHE (NOT ME) TOOK ME TO HER HOUSE FOR SEX AND THEN TOLD ME THAT SHE IS SERIOUS WOMAN AND HAVE GOOD REPUTATION, SHE WAS GREAT AT SEX, BUT AFTER ONE WEEK SHEINVITED ABOUT 300 PERSONS FROM ALL OVER THAILAND AND SHE ORGANIZED WEDDING AND I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I KNEW THAT I WAS GOING TO MARRY BECAUSE BY COINCIDENCE ONE WOMAN AT PARTY CONGRATULATE ME AS FUTURE HUSBAND…WOWWW I WAS UNDER SHOCK…AT NIGHT SHE HAD MUSIC VERY LOUD AND LIGHT ON, SO THAT I COULD NOT SLEEP AND BE UNDER CONTROL FOR WEDDING….BUT LUCKLY AT 6 AM SHE WAS SLEEPING, SO I TOOK MY SHORTS, MY PASSWORD AND MONEY AND I ESCAPED LEAVING MY BIG LAGGUAGE THERE…IS NOT FUNNY…WELL IN THAILAND SO MANY MANY FUNNY CRAZY STORIES LIKE THAT HAPPENED TO ME THAT I COULD WRITE A VERY FUNNY BOOK…FUNNY AS LONG AS YOU CAN ESCAPE….HAHAHAHA
I AM SURE ALMOST ALL THAI WOMEN ARE CRAZY AND NO BRAIN AND SOCIAL SYSTEM WELFARE AND MEN DONT PAY, IS SECONDARY THING, BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE FOOD MORE THAN IN WESTERN WORLD AND LL HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, IF RICH, THEN NICE PLACE, IF POOR THEN UGLY PLACE, BUT NO HOMELESS AND NOBODY HUNGRY AND OLD PEOPLE ARE VERY GOOD INTEGRATED WITH ALL FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS….LOOK AT WESTERN WORLD…USA MANY HOMLESS AND NO FOOD AND UK…LOOK AT LONDON HOW MANY PEOPLE SLEEPS ON THE STREETS AND SO ON AND ACCOMODATION FOR OLD PEOPLE COAT A FORTUNE AND MANY OLD PEOPLE CAN DIE WITHOUT HELP….WELL THAI WOMEN CRAZY LIERS FRUSTRATED , BUT SOCIAL SYSTEM DOES NOT EXIST BUT STILL EXIST NATUR WAY AND VERY VERY GOOD HAPPY WAY….SEE? THAT IS WANDERFUL IN THAILAND…ISNT IT?
You forgot the caps lock again? Reads like you are shouting at the readers!
Good thing you did not get married to her, you would have been in a world of hurt by now.
sometime i type at dark (also now) and use one hand, the other on my cheek, so am lazy to type properly
yes if i married to her, i woul have another boss. but case like that happenned to me more often….happens when you dont have sex with bar lady, but with other women especially government empnoyee….but i have learnt from pappilon hahahaha, i leave to them the world of hurt and i always leave in the world of pleasure
you guys not always wrong but not always right it’s just like you use to lived you life and your experience in one side.I’m a Thai girl who never be the same as you ever met. So unlucky you guys just feel sorry for you.
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Feel sorry for “MOST” Thai women who lie to the Farangs and to themselves, feel sorry about the way Thai society is behaving. If you claim you are different, then be it. Denial of the facts mentioned here which DO exist in Thailand and describe your society well, will not change anything. So one has a choice of accepting the facts of life here in LOS, or one can continue to bask on one’s denial!
i am not sorry for farangs men as eak writes, i think if farangs have fun, they are to envy, not to blame. but thai women are reakìlly to be sorry and blame….sell body to farangs who look like halloween mask, just for money and accomodation means tha there is no dignity and no proud of their own body
in italy espeacailly south, like sardinia or calabria, italian women look really a perfect copy of thai women, also smile the same, may be more and long black hair slim body, may be a little taller, but they dont go to bars to look for foreigners and for money or accomodation, they love their men and no foreigners, not even if rich, van have a little chance with them, because they love their own men and if divrce for some reason, they look for another local man who looks almost the same as her husband before. they know about all the world (in thailand thai women dont know where brazil or canada or argentina is, as long as is farang), they still put proud and dignity which they are proud of…thai women must look at dictionary or at google to know the meaning of these words, because they dont have any real value of life…thailand is a nice country and women are nice and easy……too easy….what value can have an easy object?
antonio
I’m a farang woman. I’m Brazilian, a beautiful Brazilian lady, with degrees in Marketing and Environmental Solutions. I do love to take care not only may man, my friends are very important too! I married a man from Canada, a Farang or a Gringo like we say in my country. I promised to my self, that I’m going divorced him and NEVER more married a farang again. The Farang man don’t know appreciated a good care! I think they are rude and drunk!!! They think we wants to treat them like babies… I do massage in my husband, clean his face, cook, work, dancing the ssmba, belly dance, Ram Thai and he never appreciated. Farang man… Never more!!!!
it takes 2 to tango
‘Farang’ women of the current generation are obsessed with gender issues and equality. They have become selfish., lazy and greedy where any domestic chore is seen as beneath them. Maternal instincts have waned and now revolve around ‘outside’ childcare rather than any self sacrifice.
It’s seems they are never happy unless they are ‘more equal’ than their male partners and see the state benefit system as a lifestyle choice.
Love and romance? It may largely be artificial in Thailand but the ‘farang’ woman in Britain doesn’t even try to pretend anymore.
thai women are more selfish greedy and indipendent than western women, but they are very good to hide it because they know how naive are farangs men and they only want their money, while western women have a more articolate way of thinking…..is very possible to find a romantic tollerant farang woman and they not need to lie to show who they really are, while thai women are only after something and perform without impudency each kind od comedy and lies
Thai women love childreen? look how many milions childreen are left to grand mothers or to sisters and other strangers while mother is having more childreen else where…..
may be i agree about english women, but in Italy spain most part of france , women love family and childreen much much more than thai women
I think you’re right Ant and I guess I was focusing on British women as they are my personal experience.
They get fatter by the day here and many simply have kids to get housing and money out of the state benefit system here to pay for their cigarettes and alcohol. They don’t need men other than to pay for their child’s support.
I guess I’m a realist re Thai women. They are what they are and as long as you remember that you shouldn’t get manipulated by them.
I am in Lao now and women are more for family, not just in wordslike thai which ise the words “child and family” like blackmail and also play poor when in fact they are not…
In Laos when they are poor, they are rally poor and when they are rich, they behave like rich and in both case, laos women dont look for farangs, because have proud…is also impossible to see a laos woman looking for old men, they usually look for men same age and they dont need to hide what they really like, in spite of money and wealth…
some girls from Laos come to thailand for sex and money, but for no rason they like to marry a farng and if they do, then is a farang same age ….
but still I don’t really know why laos women are like that, the longer in am in Laos and the less I understand women here
He he… I think trying to understand women of any kind is an impossible task!
I’m going to have 5 or 6 weeks in Pattaya after Xmas and while you can never say never, finding a soul mate isn’t on my agenda. I’ve had my share of girlfriends throughout my life and without the desperation for sex I can’t see me getting involved. Women are wonderful things but they have a way of making life very complicated…. and I like it simply these days.
Having said that, I’m only human!
is easy also to make it easy…thai women for sex are wanderful…just make it clear that it is all what you want and dont care or listen to their blackmails boring story….
but why Pattaya? is only one bar afer the other and not so nice beach anymore and is not so cheap anymore…there are much nicer places to live in Thailand, just avoid where too many tourists are and for sex is everywhere no problem….
but dont exagerate with sex….one woman everyday will be enough….hehehehe
Would rather have gone elsewhere in Thailand but travelling with a pal who is on the ‘desperate for sex’ list! I’ll do some trips out of Pattaya and see what else there is for next time and leave him to it most of the time.
I’ve heard from others that it is a bit grim there but have had a tough year so some sunshine and a sunbed by the pool sounds like a good place to be. There must be some more quiet bars to relax in and a decent restaurant to sample some of the food on offer.
Maybe I’ll start a new thread when I get back on alternative activities in Pattaya!!!!
desperate for sex hahaha, really funny…but Pattaya is may be too much sex…is the same as if you are hungry and the waiter brings you 10 steaks…..then you loose the dimension for sex….is easy too easy and on my opinion is not even nice for sex…if you like to spend much less and have much more fun and dont need go to the sea, then try nong Khai…you will spend 3 times less than pattaya and enjoy 3 times more….also udon Thani is not bed…good luck and dont fall in love , because is not worth it
Desperate for sex is a dangerous thing in Pattaya…But if careful, one can have fun there.
Quote from a previous post: ” sell body to farangs who look like halloween mask, just for money and accomodation means tha there is no dignity and no proud of their own body”
So, if the farang is handsome and sexy, is it OK then for Thai women to have sex for money? Where is the logic in that? why is the argument always about ugly fat farangs and sweet cute Thai girls? there are many handsome farangs with the same cute Thai women, is that less of a problem? (No, I am not old, ugly and fat) I have the same good luck with farang women that I have with Thai regular women, and I CHOSE Asian women, any day…
Men are ALWAYS paying for sex, one way or another, in every society. At least in LOD (land of denial, Thailand) it is a known exchange of P4P.
Nothing wrong with that, I actually believe that one gets better value for their money in LOD when they pay for sex than they get with their own wives of girlfriends back in their own western world…..
Most farang women are so threatened by Asian women, and for a good reason…They, the western women, have lost control over the farang man!
Some of these men, have a choice now and they are exercising that choice to the dismay of their women….
Live long and prosper!
that young and nice looking foreigners have sex with local girls, is not only in Thailand, but everywhere in the world… of course the girls expect money or present,,,that is very normal everywhere…
the difference is that not everywhere in the world, foreigners go to retire and marry local girls in huge quantity, that is not normal everywhere, but is speciality of many asian countryes including thailand and in this case the men are all (almost all) old pensionist,,,
also young foreigners go to thailand for sex on holiday, but to live there, if you dont have pension, or if you are not rich, then is almost impossible….
this is why of my previous commentary, including halloween mask…
I dont need glasses and I see how these old penionist look like…
apart from my negative opinion about behaviour of thai women, honestly, i dont really like them so much, are boring beauty , i did like them may be first year. Now I see that there are nice looking as well as bad looking, but not interesting at all and I dont consider thai women so important, may be ok for fun gossip but nothing more than that
no dignity is about how thai girls sell body like everywhere, but the lies and the tricks and blackmails and love words to old farangs, just to their interest in order to have money and accomodations (houses and so on) and they manipolate love with so evident lies to old farangs.
They young looking foreigners who have sex with young girls they come and go, but the “others”, stay and pay all life…this is the point where they sell body without dignity, because to have sex with a man which is older than their father, is even worse than sell body…but I see that when people here dont kno what to write…then they write contradictory nonsenses…..
I would not be happy to have a daughter 25 years old who sell body to man older than I am….
I find very normal if she has sex with a young nice looking man and she like it….
but thailand is famous for what over mentioned…..I think 7 miliards in the world know it and may be only somebody here will never understand it
In the interest of being fair and balanced, The Thai culture has ALWAYS allowed, or tolerated Thai men sleeping with young Thai women. IF you do research and live in Thailand and mingle with lo and ho so Thais, one will quickly learn that sex is not a big taboo as it is in the west and other countries. We, Farangs have big hang ups about sex, thanks to the Christian teaching, and we judge Asia as we judge our own country, WRONG. Thais and Asians in general are more comfortable with their bodies than farangs are hence Asians having sex is not seen as a big issue and selling their bodies to bring the rice home not as taboo as it is in the west.
So, frarangs who publicly are seen with Thai women is really nothing new. Prostitution in Thailand caters to the Thai man more than it does the farangs. The only difference is that Thai men do it behind closed doors. They have huge buildings the size of small malls to serve the Thai man. farangs are publicly seeing with Thai women is really a normal phenomena, the Thai society tolerates it, allows it, benefit from it in the millions of $$’s in tourism and turns a blind eye to it. Without the sex tourism, it is my opinion that Thailand will severely economically suffer.
The problem I see in these discussions is that the “old, bald, fat farang” is being blamed for exercising his right to have sex, in Asia in general. You see, it is all about demand and supply. There is a huge demand for sex by the frustrated farang because of his lack of sex with the demanding entitled farang women but there is a huge supply of payable sex in Asia…Every one benefits…
Remember, there IS prostitution the west, Illegal in most cases, but it DOES exist, and “old, fat, bald, ugly, handsome, and young” men use that service…Are westerners better than Thais or Asians in this particular case? Not in my mind!
a thai girl will always prefer an older farangs also if same age as her grand father, to a young handsom farang man, because she give priority to her interest and not to real love, that is their culture and sell body in thailand is part of cleverness so much tollerate by thai people.
If a Thai girl must decide if to “love” and marry between an handsome young farang and an ugly old farang with pension…she will choose the old man….I think all world is aware of that….she choose the old pensionist because she can get a lot of economical advantage, which means that she sell her body…..
sex amongst younger people can be love or mutual attraction, but with men same age as their grand father, means sell her body…or you call it love???? hahahahaha, dont say what the all world can contradict you…!!!
what is strange is that in Laos is a rarity when a girl choose an older man to marry, no matter if pensionist or not, in Laos, women really hate men much older even if the farangs are rich, they dont think at all to marry him…..
I doubt that an ‘old bald, fat man’ could walk into any bar in the world and win the affection of an attractive young woman based on his looks or personality. It isn’t going to happen and would always involve the contents of his wallet. That’s part of the sadness of ageing because while we may may still feel young inside, the wrapping paper gets shabby and tired whatever we try do. If we accept this fact and see the young Thai woman on our arm as a ‘fleeting moment’ that’s fine…. but to believe she is there because she is attracted to you is rather delusional.
The joy of a full life and plenty of sexual experience during our younger years puts it more into perspective and we can then perhaps re-live a moment with a Thai girl… but to think it’s ever going to be reciprocal love isn’t going to happen. Turning the tables… would that ‘old bald fat man’ fancy a saggy old granny when in his prime? I don’ think so somehow.
Of course there are prostitutes the world over… but would anyone want to marry one from London or Madrid? Many hate the men they have sex with and I don’t doubt it is just the same in Thailand.
As the old saying goes…. no money no honey.
yes thai girls prefer old farangs only for money…what else is interesting in Thailand?
Quote : ” Of course there are prostitutes the world over… but would anyone want to marry one from London or Madrid? Many hate the men they have sex with and I don’t doubt it is just the same in Thailand.”
Mostly correct. BUT, the hooker in the west LOOKS like a hooker, the Thai hooker in MOST cases (not the die hard Thai hookers) will look ok if she is out of the business, even when she is in the business she may know how to dress and look classy. Also, for reasons that will take pages to write, the Thai bar girls seem to still enjoy sex if she likes the guy she is with. Western hookers hate all men and most of them turn gay/lesbians/druggys because they hate men!