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		<title>By: Ruai</title>
		<link>http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/11/19/watch-out-at-baccara/comment-page-1/#comment-7247</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate the frustration of dealing with bar girls and even bar girls who try to quote prices so far out of line with reality that it&#039;s not even funny (the new &quot;in thing&quot; for freelancers is to throw out 10,000 baht as their &quot;regular&quot; rate - what a load of crap).  However, there&#039;s nothing inherently wrong with Isaan so the derogatory label seems unwarranted.  

Also, Carrey, if you can&#039;t afford someplace, don&#039;t go.  200 baht to get in?  Wow!  It&#039;s a nightclub not a go-go bar (though most of the girls there are straight from their shift at the go-go).  200 baht is like $6 USD.  Most nightclubs in places like LA, NYC, London, Paris, Berlin, etc charge way, way, way more.  10 - 20 sterling is common in London.  

And when you go to any venue in Bangkok that has entertainment they charge more for the drinks.  I don&#039;t know if you just stepped off the plane from Cheapoville but if you can&#039;t handle paying 120 baht ($3.50 USD) in a nightclub then stay out of nightclubs.  Last time I was in LA the going rate for a beer in most nightclubs was $5 - $10.  It&#039;s even worse in London.  

Sorry if I sound harsh.  It&#039;s one of my pet peeves when people travel half way around the world and expect everything to cost 2 baht.  Part of the reason it&#039;s one of my pet peeves is that it&#039;s usually people like you who want the best of everything but want to pay nothing for it.  You want cheaper drinks?  Walk across the street from Climax and go to the 7-11 and buy yourself a 30 baht beer (or 70 baht for the large sized bottle).  

Oh, but that doesn&#039;t have music, whores, or all the other stuff you want . . . you gotta pay to play.  If you don&#039;t want to then STFU and go somewhere else on your next holiday.  

I also love it when guys like you go and find the cheapest hookers they can find (420 baht? you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel pretty hard to find a girl who will go for 420 baht) and then complain about the performance.  WTF do you expect when you can&#039;t even go a full purple note?  I can just picture you counting out a stack of 20 baht notes and 10 baht coins to pay her because you don&#039;t have any 1000 or 500 baht notes on you.  

BTW, there&#039;s an affordable STD clinic behind the 7-11 on Soi 11.  I&#039;m sure if you make it a regular habit of having sex with girls who don&#039;t think they&#039;re worth even 500 baht you&#039;ll be needing their services before you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate the frustration of dealing with bar girls and even bar girls who try to quote prices so far out of line with reality that it&#8217;s not even funny (the new &#8220;in thing&#8221; for freelancers is to throw out 10,000 baht as their &#8220;regular&#8221; rate &#8211; what a load of crap).  However, there&#8217;s nothing inherently wrong with Isaan so the derogatory label seems unwarranted.  </p>
<p>Also, Carrey, if you can&#8217;t afford someplace, don&#8217;t go.  200 baht to get in?  Wow!  It&#8217;s a nightclub not a go-go bar (though most of the girls there are straight from their shift at the go-go).  200 baht is like $6 USD.  Most nightclubs in places like LA, NYC, London, Paris, Berlin, etc charge way, way, way more.  10 &#8211; 20 sterling is common in London.  </p>
<p>And when you go to any venue in Bangkok that has entertainment they charge more for the drinks.  I don&#8217;t know if you just stepped off the plane from Cheapoville but if you can&#8217;t handle paying 120 baht ($3.50 USD) in a nightclub then stay out of nightclubs.  Last time I was in LA the going rate for a beer in most nightclubs was $5 &#8211; $10.  It&#8217;s even worse in London.  </p>
<p>Sorry if I sound harsh.  It&#8217;s one of my pet peeves when people travel half way around the world and expect everything to cost 2 baht.  Part of the reason it&#8217;s one of my pet peeves is that it&#8217;s usually people like you who want the best of everything but want to pay nothing for it.  You want cheaper drinks?  Walk across the street from Climax and go to the 7-11 and buy yourself a 30 baht beer (or 70 baht for the large sized bottle).  </p>
<p>Oh, but that doesn&#8217;t have music, whores, or all the other stuff you want . . . you gotta pay to play.  If you don&#8217;t want to then STFU and go somewhere else on your next holiday.  </p>
<p>I also love it when guys like you go and find the cheapest hookers they can find (420 baht? you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel pretty hard to find a girl who will go for 420 baht) and then complain about the performance.  WTF do you expect when you can&#8217;t even go a full purple note?  I can just picture you counting out a stack of 20 baht notes and 10 baht coins to pay her because you don&#8217;t have any 1000 or 500 baht notes on you.  </p>
<p>BTW, there&#8217;s an affordable STD clinic behind the 7-11 on Soi 11.  I&#8217;m sure if you make it a regular habit of having sex with girls who don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re worth even 500 baht you&#8217;ll be needing their services before you go.</p>
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		<title>By: banks</title>
		<link>http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/11/19/watch-out-at-baccara/comment-page-1/#comment-7246</link>
		<dc:creator>banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>way to put it Carrey....very well said, especially about the issan girls....just kicked one stupid cunt out of my house after a year of nagging...lesson learned! bar girls are a disease that eat your money and nothing else. never again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way to put it Carrey&#8230;.very well said, especially about the issan girls&#8230;.just kicked one stupid cunt out of my house after a year of nagging&#8230;lesson learned! bar girls are a disease that eat your money and nothing else. never again.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/11/19/watch-out-at-baccara/comment-page-1/#comment-5467</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished the day with a classic street whore in bangkok ... a hobby semi professional ... 420 b 26y of age... anyway its still way overpriced... if it would be 100b then that would have been appropriated.... But befor the that i visited the ..Climax.. MOTHERFUKKER disco...  Entry ticket 200b, drinks all 120 or more... common... what the fk is going on... why are stupide westernes paying that fk high price over and over... this is a one time shot..then talk around that its not worth it and leave... A whore, from ..ISAAN.. where ever that is, asked 300USD !!!... and that after she got paid a drink of 180b....  I think i got a brain tumore or dont hear right... but it cant be reality.... followups wellcäme</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished the day with a classic street whore in bangkok &#8230; a hobby semi professional &#8230; 420 b 26y of age&#8230; anyway its still way overpriced&#8230; if it would be 100b then that would have been appropriated&#8230;. But befor the that i visited the ..Climax.. MOTHERFUKKER disco&#8230;  Entry ticket 200b, drinks all 120 or more&#8230; common&#8230; what the fk is going on&#8230; why are stupide westernes paying that fk high price over and over&#8230; this is a one time shot..then talk around that its not worth it and leave&#8230; A whore, from ..ISAAN.. where ever that is, asked 300USD !!!&#8230; and that after she got paid a drink of 180b&#8230;.  I think i got a brain tumore or dont hear right&#8230; but it cant be reality&#8230;. followups wellcäme</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bangkok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Bangkok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like someone who&#039;s been taken for a ride before.  haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like someone who&#8217;s been taken for a ride before.  haha</p>
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		<title>By: Carrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/11/19/watch-out-at-baccara/comment-page-1/#comment-5453</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow up: a whore in europe goes for less then 50 euros - in switzerland the go for even less then 30 euros. but a chick working in a fashion shop selling clothes makes around 2000 euros. so if you compare that - a whore paid in thailand should not get more then 100 b even less. but whats happening is really that those suckers pay them a price which would be comparable for 400 to 600 dollars for couple hours ... for a tattoted dumb inactive whore - mostly .... common guys - avoid this rotten place and find a new highlight - thank you !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow up: a whore in europe goes for less then 50 euros &#8211; in switzerland the go for even less then 30 euros. but a chick working in a fashion shop selling clothes makes around 2000 euros. so if you compare that &#8211; a whore paid in thailand should not get more then 100 b even less. but whats happening is really that those suckers pay them a price which would be comparable for 400 to 600 dollars for couple hours &#8230; for a tattoted dumb inactive whore &#8211; mostly &#8230;. common guys &#8211; avoid this rotten place and find a new highlight &#8211; thank you !!</p>
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		<title>By: Carrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/11/19/watch-out-at-baccara/comment-page-1/#comment-5452</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you guys talking about ... ??? You guys talking about this BS like its science ... Fk Thailand .. dont go there ... its an over payed 3rd world country. Dumb Japanese and even more dumb westerns have rotten the place with paying too much for too little ... The guy initated this blog write ...i know 1000 b is not lots of money... what the fk is he talking about ... People work for 6000 b a month ... If you have a whore in this country pay her 200 to 300 b but only if she gives you an hour thai massage befor shag her. Anything else is just outright plain flat stupied. And of course - never shag a whore from isaan. This people think they could outsmart the rest of the world with there dumb fk little undeveloped brain.

Best for all you wankers is stay home and wank - and instead send money to real developing organisation - not whores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you guys talking about &#8230; ??? You guys talking about this BS like its science &#8230; Fk Thailand .. dont go there &#8230; its an over payed 3rd world country. Dumb Japanese and even more dumb westerns have rotten the place with paying too much for too little &#8230; The guy initated this blog write &#8230;i know 1000 b is not lots of money&#8230; what the fk is he talking about &#8230; People work for 6000 b a month &#8230; If you have a whore in this country pay her 200 to 300 b but only if she gives you an hour thai massage befor shag her. Anything else is just outright plain flat stupied. And of course &#8211; never shag a whore from isaan. This people think they could outsmart the rest of the world with there dumb fk little undeveloped brain.</p>
<p>Best for all you wankers is stay home and wank &#8211; and instead send money to real developing organisation &#8211; not whores.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go to these places (not just Baccara) this is the routine because they are so desperate now a days. The only way to avoid being scammed is don&#039;t buy shots or let the &quot;friend&quot; order a drink. Then they realize you are not  going to put up with their pushy bs and move on to the next guy (Thai girls always have a friend and prey on your ego and like this, they know you don&#039;t want to look bad and not buy drinks for the friend). The difference is I don&#039;t care if they think I am a cheap Charlie, I know their game and refuse to play. If the mamasan would have done that to me I would have told her to to go fuck herself and threw a few 100 baht the table and walked out. And the tab slip for her drink would have been tossed in her direction or into the air or back at the service girl. They are all in on the scam and just play along like nothing is wrong, it&#039;s all an act. Sometimes I go to Baccara on Friday nights and buy 1 beer and eat the free buffet and look at all the Japanese customers they have and walk out.  Go for the buffet and if a idiot mamasan trys to scam you (or anyone else), then walk out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to these places (not just Baccara) this is the routine because they are so desperate now a days. The only way to avoid being scammed is don&#8217;t buy shots or let the &#8220;friend&#8221; order a drink. Then they realize you are not  going to put up with their pushy bs and move on to the next guy (Thai girls always have a friend and prey on your ego and like this, they know you don&#8217;t want to look bad and not buy drinks for the friend). The difference is I don&#8217;t care if they think I am a cheap Charlie, I know their game and refuse to play. If the mamasan would have done that to me I would have told her to to go fuck herself and threw a few 100 baht the table and walked out. And the tab slip for her drink would have been tossed in her direction or into the air or back at the service girl. They are all in on the scam and just play along like nothing is wrong, it&#8217;s all an act. Sometimes I go to Baccara on Friday nights and buy 1 beer and eat the free buffet and look at all the Japanese customers they have and walk out.  Go for the buffet and if a idiot mamasan trys to scam you (or anyone else), then walk out.</p>
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		<title>By: pally pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pally pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>totally off-topic really but relating to baccara none the less.

i met a lovely girl who worked there last week,unfortunately it was my last night so i only got to spend a few hours with her,im a newbie to the scene really (this being my 4th trip) but her attitude,performance were all top-notch (probably the best ive encountered) 

maybe its best i did only have one night with her,otherwise i could easily see my self breaking my self imposed rule  to never fall in love with a bargirl.

this was after id spent a week in the philippines where the girls are generally perceived to have better attitudes (are better actors?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>totally off-topic really but relating to baccara none the less.</p>
<p>i met a lovely girl who worked there last week,unfortunately it was my last night so i only got to spend a few hours with her,im a newbie to the scene really (this being my 4th trip) but her attitude,performance were all top-notch (probably the best ive encountered) </p>
<p>maybe its best i did only have one night with her,otherwise i could easily see my self breaking my self imposed rule  to never fall in love with a bargirl.</p>
<p>this was after id spent a week in the philippines where the girls are generally perceived to have better attitudes (are better actors?)</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bangkok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Bangkok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7:  I hope you didn&#039;t read my comment as a rebuttal that the things you describe are happening.  Only that pricing pressures are a totally different matter.  There are multiple factors involved ranging from inflation to exchange rates.  I hope you can see that my reference to a girl charging 3000 baht is in agreement that some price increases seem unreasonable. 

I also agree with your points about the quality of service.  In fact, I agree more on that than I do with your points about pricing.  It seems every time I come to Thailand the girls get ruder and more obnoxious.  

I used to be pretty frequent in Cowboy (I won&#039;t even enter Nana) but I only stop by a few times.  I would rather pay a lot more money at a nightclub and have a really good time than go to a go-go and feel like I&#039;m being scammed all night while listening to Isaan girls screeching at each other over the sound system.  

I have no problem blowing money as evidenced by the fact that I&#039;ll pay to get into an expensive nightclub and 3000 for a bottle of whiskey if I go out for the evening.  The company is much better and I don&#039;t feel like I&#039;m getting nickled and dimed to death one lady drink at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7:  I hope you didn&#8217;t read my comment as a rebuttal that the things you describe are happening.  Only that pricing pressures are a totally different matter.  There are multiple factors involved ranging from inflation to exchange rates.  I hope you can see that my reference to a girl charging 3000 baht is in agreement that some price increases seem unreasonable. </p>
<p>I also agree with your points about the quality of service.  In fact, I agree more on that than I do with your points about pricing.  It seems every time I come to Thailand the girls get ruder and more obnoxious.  </p>
<p>I used to be pretty frequent in Cowboy (I won&#8217;t even enter Nana) but I only stop by a few times.  I would rather pay a lot more money at a nightclub and have a really good time than go to a go-go and feel like I&#8217;m being scammed all night while listening to Isaan girls screeching at each other over the sound system.  </p>
<p>I have no problem blowing money as evidenced by the fact that I&#8217;ll pay to get into an expensive nightclub and 3000 for a bottle of whiskey if I go out for the evening.  The company is much better and I don&#8217;t feel like I&#8217;m getting nickled and dimed to death one lady drink at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: crocodilexp</title>
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		<dc:creator>crocodilexp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the early 1950&#039;s was way better -- 100 baht would get you a girl for a week. Oh, the good old Phibun days. Almost as good as pre-Castro Cuba...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the early 1950&#8242;s was way better &#8212; 100 baht would get you a girl for a week. Oh, the good old Phibun days. Almost as good as pre-Castro Cuba&#8230;</p>
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